tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12333976.post115357412960144358..comments2024-02-18T15:43:14.717-05:00Comments on Moved to LivinLaVidaLowCarb.com/Blog: Debating The Merits Of 'Low-Carb' FoodsJimmy Moorehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08590225257991702645noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12333976.post-40304616467285852742008-07-04T11:06:00.000-04:002008-07-04T11:06:00.000-04:00I find that my weakness isn't chocolate bars, it's...I find that my weakness isn't chocolate bars, it's breads and muffins. On Induction, I really missed being able to make a sandwich or have a muffin with my morning coffee. I've done some research, and found some really good low carb baking mixes to keep me on the straight-and-narrow (Bob's Red Mill products are some of the best ones). Now I can enjoy a muffin or a slice of bread on occasion without blowing my diet.chipperthornhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15640013055525206379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12333976.post-48002186667847029482006-09-29T08:41:00.000-04:002006-09-29T08:41:00.000-04:00Well, some of us need a little sweetness. I know ...Well, some of us need a little sweetness. I know that after I eat some foods, I actually would like to end it on a sweet note. I sometimes have a slice of cheesecake. I don't eat the choc bars too much as I sure have a real low tolerance to sugar alcohols, so why bother. I do use Breyers Carbsmart icecream and that does NOT contain sugar alcohols like some others. I can eat that as it is made with real cream and splenda. Very good choc variety too. It gets me over the chocolate cravings. I eat the granola breakfast bars from Atkins. I like the berry ones, it reminds me of my granola bars (which are full of sugar). I also use the shakes every week and they also help with protein and the choc cravings......I think everything in moderation is ok. Keep up the great work Jimmy!!!mo-better43https://www.blogger.com/profile/11850980914736805791noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12333976.post-1153963864859559832006-07-26T21:31:00.000-04:002006-07-26T21:31:00.000-04:00I'll also add that the shakes and bars I use are m...I'll also add that the shakes and bars I use are meant to be MEALS, not snacks. That means they have fairly complete nutrition.<BR/><BR/>I don't eat sweet snacks (well, rarely). Sweet stuff just feeds the sugar demon and why would I want to do that?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13390991269990163088noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12333976.post-1153963726792883592006-07-26T21:28:00.000-04:002006-07-26T21:28:00.000-04:00Jimmy listed TWO bars in a sample daily menu. Tha...Jimmy listed TWO bars in a sample daily menu. That tells me it's more than "occational." It's daily.<BR/><BR/>The shakes have 20g of protein, so no, I won't switch. They help me build muscle mass after a workout. Do the GoLower bars have 20g of complete protein? I didn't think so.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13390991269990163088noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12333976.post-1153809072619911292006-07-25T02:31:00.000-04:002006-07-25T02:31:00.000-04:00Newbirth, GoLower bars are primarily made of nuts....Newbirth, GoLower bars are primarily made of nuts. The most "unnatural" ingredients are the oligofructose syrup that binds the nuts and the soy nuggets. He's just eating nuts in a different formulation than a handful out of a jar. <BR/><BR/>Jimmy has said he uses the bars <I>occasionally</I>. You use shakes <I>occasionally</I>. I'd lay money the shakes have more artificial ingredients than the GoLower bars you denigrate. Maybe you should switch?branruadhhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06035950425859104374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12333976.post-1153798552294325562006-07-24T23:35:00.000-04:002006-07-24T23:35:00.000-04:00And I didn't say it was "worse" to eat a "GoLower"...And I didn't say it was "worse" to eat a "GoLower" bar. I simply said it's as fake as a high carb bar. It's a bar. It's not real food. It's fake food.<BR/><BR/>Try something else for a snack - like cheese or nuts or last night's leftovers.<BR/><BR/>I don't eat the Atkins meal bars every day, much less my sugar free candy bar of choice. I use the shakes 2-4 times a week after my workout, and sometimes use it for lunch on Saturday.<BR/><BR/>But I am not kidding myself that it's better - or even as good as - real food and a real meal. It's not.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13390991269990163088noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12333976.post-1153798157465560802006-07-24T23:29:00.000-04:002006-07-24T23:29:00.000-04:00Oh, now I'm curious Newbirth. What makes the GoLow...<EM>Oh, now I'm curious Newbirth. What makes the GoLower bars "as fake as any high carb candy bar?" Please elaborate because I could not disagree with that statement more. :)</EM><BR/><BR/>Bars are fake food, period. Whether they are a high carb bar or a low carb bar or an Atkins meal bars. None of them are real food and we experience better health when eating real food.<BR/><BR/>As for you HLD and LDL, yeah, mine did the same thing IN THE BEGINNING. Then my LDL went up. I have to eat cleaner and better now if I want to have the same good results. So I'm backing off the eggs a bit (no more than 6 a week) and adding flax meal to my diet. I didn't have to do that at first.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13390991269990163088noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12333976.post-1153769416578535652006-07-24T15:30:00.000-04:002006-07-24T15:30:00.000-04:00Great question, Hellistile. But I think your comm...Great question, Hellistile. But I think your comments are only half correct. What you are neglecting to mention is my insistence that anything I put in my mouth is quality products that are devoid of sugar and/or other harmful carbohydrates that your body does not need.<BR/><BR/>With that said, I'm not eating what you call "fake" foods at every meal, but I do see benefits of using them as snacks, especially GoLower bars and low-carb chocolates. They are a lifesaver to me and have not adversely impacted my weight or health.<BR/><BR/>I always tell people I am still a work in progress and perhaps I'm not moving fast enough to the organic whole foods, but I'm getting there. <BR/><BR/>All I know is that I'm eating healthier and better right now than I have my entire life. And nobody will convince me that eating GoLower bars and low-carb chocolates is JUST AS BAD as eating high-carb candy bars. That's utterly ridiculous!<BR/><BR/>It's about as moronic as saying drinking diet sodas are worse for you than sugary ones. STUPID STUPID STUPID! I'm not buying it!Jimmy Moorehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08590225257991702645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12333976.post-1153768572069943442006-07-24T15:16:00.000-04:002006-07-24T15:16:00.000-04:00Jimmy:Those of us who are overweight got that way ...Jimmy:<BR/>Those of us who are overweight got that way because carbohydrates are poisons to us. Why would we want to ingest facsimile's of those very same high-carbohydrate foods. If you are eating "fake" foods and there are more than 1 or 2 ingredients in them is like eating "low fat" or "no fat" foods thinking you can get away with eating them and not getting fat. Even if I make my own home-made, low-carb cheesecake, knowing exactly what ingredients I put into it, what is to prevent me from eating the entire cake in one sitting once my cravings get the better of me. So, IF I really need something sweet, I have to walk or take a bus to the nearest place that sells low-carb bars and buy just 1. Or I can make a cup of coffee with heavy cream and artificial sweetener. What I'm trying to say, it's best to try and feel full on whole, natural foods than rely too heavily on processed foods.Hellistilehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01417150277535411381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12333976.post-1153753044888136112006-07-24T10:57:00.000-04:002006-07-24T10:57:00.000-04:00I disagree, Newbirth. I ate low-carb chocolates a...I disagree, Newbirth. I ate low-carb chocolates and other "products" throughout my weight loss and my LDL cholesterol and triglycerides went DOWN while my HDL went up.Jimmy Moorehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08590225257991702645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12333976.post-1153707196910483822006-07-23T22:13:00.000-04:002006-07-23T22:13:00.000-04:00Oh, now I'm curious Newbirth. What makes the GoLo...Oh, now I'm curious Newbirth. What makes the GoLower bars "as fake as any high carb candy bar?" Please elaborate because I could not disagree with that statement more. :)Jimmy Moorehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08590225257991702645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12333976.post-1153706820999584562006-07-23T22:07:00.000-04:002006-07-23T22:07:00.000-04:00Shirataki noodles and Dreamfield's are REAL food, ...Shirataki noodles and Dreamfield's are REAL food, though, as much as any high-carb pasta is real food. GoLower bars are NOT, no matter how much someone might want them to be. They are as fake as any high carb candy bar. They are should not, IMO, be consumed every day.<BR/><BR/><EM>If you wouldn't eat the high-carb version every day, don't eat the low-carb version every day either.</EM>Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13390991269990163088noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12333976.post-1153706381505817712006-07-23T21:59:00.000-04:002006-07-23T21:59:00.000-04:00I don't believe in using them every day and believ...I don't believe in using them every day and believe the best way to break my sugar addiction is to stay away from most sweets. I eat sugar free chocolate, but it is a TREAT, not a daily thing. (MY only daily sweet is sugar free Jello.) I use the shakes after my workouts as it's the easiest source of quick protein at the gym, but again, this isn't everyday. I get to the gym 2-4 times a week. The rest of the time I just walk and don't use the fake food shakes.<BR/><BR/>I really have to wonder if all the fake food isn't driving your cholesterol up.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13390991269990163088noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12333976.post-1153677811223928602006-07-23T14:03:00.000-04:002006-07-23T14:03:00.000-04:00There's a psychological aspect to food that some p...There's a psychological aspect to food that some people deal with by substitution and others by denial, I think. There's this insistence by many that there's something inherently "purer" in achieving full-blown abstinence from what they see as the problem (as opposed to those who actually have to practice abstinence, like recovering alcoholics). The low-carb substitute products are too close to the high-carb stuff for their mental comfort, so they declare them equally anathema.<BR/><BR/>From where I sit, there's also the cultural factor. American cuisine features things like pasta, chocolate, and ice cream. Never being able to have any of those again can make a person feel like they're separated from their culture. It's fine for some, but not others. And if people like Dreamfields, Russell Stover and Dreyer's/Edy's are up to filling those gaps for those of us who can't have the sugar and both the food companies and the consumers approach them sanely, it helps those of us who'd rather have the cultural touchstones in our food.<BR/><BR/>I prefer to have certain options out there. I'm very glad during the current heat wave that I can go to a local frozen yogurt shop and get a serving of Carbolite or Wow Cow alongside the people getting the high-sugar yogurt and not have to fret about what the treat will do to my blood sugar.branruadhhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06035950425859104374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12333976.post-1153662436521359752006-07-23T09:47:00.000-04:002006-07-23T09:47:00.000-04:00Mrs Fat and I have given up on the low carb produc...Mrs Fat and I have given up on the low carb products for now, for us, it has helped to stall our weight loss. <BR/><BR/>Now that we are back in serious diet mode, myself in Atkins induction and Mrs Fat on Nutrisystem, it's just best if we stay away from these products. Everyone seems to lose weight differently, so it really is an experiment. Heck we've both put on 40 pounds over the holiday season. <BR/><BR/>In a pinch, the Atkins bars are nice. Aahh heck, I think I'll just get some Ben and Jerrys. I hear the voices again. Gotta work in some Tai-chi.Mr F.https://www.blogger.com/profile/11986717565032522571noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12333976.post-1153662108846972872006-07-23T09:41:00.000-04:002006-07-23T09:41:00.000-04:00I think the goal is to eat whole organic foods onl...I think the goal is to eat whole organic foods only but that said....it's just not reality for me. I agree with you Jimmy, I NEED some of those junk foods but try to make more healthy choices by using the low carb products. I limit them to a couple times a week tho. Also there is the cost factor. Along with low-carb eating also came all the knowledge of what my body really needs and how to choose nutritious food. Even when I over eat real food (like pigging out on cherries this time of year) I'm not doing the damage I used to do by consuming a half gallon of ice cream with a bag of corn chips. Tough decison but my vote is eat as well as you can and when you need a kick, fill in with the next best choice - low carb products (reading all labels carefully).Darleenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16355370785963284588noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12333976.post-1153657364414951512006-07-23T08:22:00.000-04:002006-07-23T08:22:00.000-04:00I see nothing wrong with using low carb products. ...I see nothing wrong with using low carb products. As with anything you need to make good choices. I don't think they should be used daily but rather as a treat to keep you on track.If one can go with out ever using them then that is terrific, but most people need a little help now and then and I belive these products provide that. Total dependence on these products tho is a step on the road to failure.TESShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04354025359300489391noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12333976.post-1153647929430328152006-07-23T05:45:00.000-04:002006-07-23T05:45:00.000-04:00I think the people who are 'trying' low carb and g...I think the people who are 'trying' low carb and give up because they eat too many convenient foods, were always going to be the ones to fail. I don't blame the bars etc.<BR/><BR/>I actually find Atkins Advantage bars one of the best of the market. I think people like bashing it because it has the name Atkins. <BR/><BR/>I use the convenient food, and it has saved me from cheating many times!Lowcarb_davehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02731513723761653022noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12333976.post-1153585826753905552006-07-22T12:30:00.000-04:002006-07-22T12:30:00.000-04:00Since most of the so-called low carb products are ...Since most of the so-called low carb products are simply not available in my part of the world, I am somewhat out of the equation. I would love to try a low carb baking mix that actually tastes good - if even for my carb burning hubby who loves baked goods. My only 'lowcarb' food is Torani sugarfree syrup, and I use it for a very rare homemade low carb icecream or as very little sweetener in my coffee.<BR/><BR/>I think it is good that there are some low-carb foods, and if you feel great using them, and it helps you to stay on plan, use them. But, as you pointed out in your article, for some people this is what low carb means: eating low carb products. And I feel that eating low-carb means eating whole natural nutritious foods our body was designed to eat - and to learn to appreciate these tastes. Man-made foods simply aren't what God designed our bodies for. So while I do see the convenience of the products, I'd rather not use them - I haven't been using convenience products before low-carbing, either, because of the poor quality and yucky ingredients, because of transfats, MSG, modified starches, you name it. And so - even if there was something like bake mix, I'd still use almond flour and herbs and parmiggiano cheese to coat chicken and not bake mix from the store - YMMV, as always....https://www.blogger.com/profile/12311894480258590088noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12333976.post-1153579788551171712006-07-22T10:49:00.000-04:002006-07-22T10:49:00.000-04:00It very much depends on the person. My wife (a su...It very much depends on the person. My wife (a successful Atkins Centurion - lost 100 pounds) can eat and be satisfied with low carb ice cream. To me, the leap to real ice cream if the low carb stuff was out would be too minimal. That's the other thing about getting accustomed to certain "low carb" foods or crutches. What happens when that particular product goes off the market as many have done? I used to use Carbsense Zero Carb baking mix all the time in my fried chicken recipe. Carbsense has now changed their name and their low carb stance and dropped many of their former products. There are alternatives -- make your own low carb baking mix, but the convenience is gone. <BR/><BR/>I am personally all about making this journey as easy for this guy as possible. Easy for me is eating and preparing most of my meals from scratch or eating whole foods. Easy for someone else might be skipping a meal and having a GoLower bar. During the main weightloss phases (Induction and OWL), I would be less likely to support convenience foods as most people are still learning what it means to be low carb and learning how their body will react to some foods. However if you are settled in your diet and getting proper nutrition without overdoing it, whatever keeps you at goal the better.Kenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11401322696942839172noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12333976.post-1153575762944367012006-07-22T09:42:00.000-04:002006-07-22T09:42:00.000-04:00Sorry I missed this the first time. I think your s...Sorry I missed this the first time. I think your sample menu looks great, and if it works for you, stick with it. I can't eat anything with sugar alcohols, so the CarbSmart ice cream is out for me, but Coe eats it every evening. I think the distinction between low carb foods and frankenfoods needs serious thought. I don't consider the Go Lower bars to be a low carb frankenfood as I do any number of other low carb bars, i.e. some Atkins, CarbWise, Carbolite, etc. One mistake many new low-carbers make is to replace the high carb junk food with low-carb junk food, instead of replacing all junk food with nutritious fruits and veggies, which the uniformed will swear low-carbers never eat. This phenomenon is also what has given low-carbing a bad name. Bottom line, people can justify anything. I am doing what I know is best for my body. If I am going to do the wrong thing, I want it to have been my informed choice, rather than let the medical/pharm community sucker-punch me.moderatorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00174136027299249825noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12333976.post-1153575668780198022006-07-22T09:41:00.000-04:002006-07-22T09:41:00.000-04:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.moderatorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00174136027299249825noreply@blogger.com