tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12333976.post8672357139073102605..comments2024-02-18T15:43:14.717-05:00Comments on Moved to LivinLaVidaLowCarb.com/Blog: Is Muscle Fatigue Inevitable When You Exercise While On A Low-Carb Diet?Jimmy Moorehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08590225257991702645noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12333976.post-56803418613938539162007-08-13T09:41:00.000-04:002007-08-13T09:41:00.000-04:00Some thoughts:1- I was a lot less sore from my wor...Some thoughts:<BR/>1- I was a lot less sore from my workout on Friday after adding 25G of post workout carbs. It didn't seem to affect ketosis or loss or anything really, but I didn't feel sore all over all weekend. Experiment being repeated today. <BR/><BR/>2- On further reflection (and comment reading), I suspect that Mr. Colpo's recommended levels of post work carb are high for the average LC dieter/exerciser. Since 25g (plus the normal milk sugar in the cottage cheese) seemed to fix what was ailing me, it might be that 25g is closer to optimal, at least for me. Time will tell something closer to the true story.<BR/><BR/>3- Re: Sue: "<I>I think we were never meant to exercise so hard and for so long.</I>" I read protein power and other paleo sites and they suggest feats of "superhuman" strength and endurance by our ancestors who were pretty much the same as us. I find these somewhat incredible, but at the same time, I think we were meant to hunt with tools that didn't include projectile weapons like guns and bows. That would involve running, cunning, and/or some brute clubbing. So, I dunno what the optimal level of exercise is, but its probably closer to "so hard and for so long" than "not at all." Course, I currently do 14 exercises, none more than once a week, spread out over 5 workouts, so I'm not doing as much as many.<BR/><BR/>4- As always on the good stuff, Thanks Jimmy and company.Pot Kettle Blackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01991982631209306178noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12333976.post-71100543346034850352007-08-13T02:38:00.000-04:002007-08-13T02:38:00.000-04:00I think we were never meant to exercise so hard an...I think we were never meant to exercise so hard and for so long. I'll keep my exercises at low intensity so I don't need the extra carb. It makes perfect sense that athletes would need carbs after a workout when they work to a level that is depleting their glycogen supplies in their muscles.Suehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03181442844616803097noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12333976.post-78221145060567724032007-08-10T15:02:00.000-04:002007-08-10T15:02:00.000-04:00I agree with the "ketosis is way overrated" commen...I agree with the "ketosis is way overrated" comment. I don't think I spent much time in ketosis during my weight loss at all. <BR/><BR/>I don't disagree with Anthony Colpo's view of fatigue, but I have also found that these symptoms happen when an athlete overtrains. Those cyclists in Dr. Phinney's studies were highly trained. New low carbers can't make that claim, and once they get the initial energy boost, they may tend to overdo it because it's the best they've felt in years. I certainly add whey and casein after workouts to speed recovery, but you also have to listen to your body and back off when you get that fatigue feeling that just won't go away. Sure, maybe you can't immediately repeat the hard efforts of guys on a sugar-high, but I believe you can make up for that with intelligent training.<BR/><BR/>Make sure you're getting plenty of sleep and ensure you're getting enough recovery between workouts. Many of the great running coaches, like Bowerman at Oregon, were big on hard/easy workouts, and many new marathon training programs like FIRST, encourage quality over quantity so it gives the athlete time to recover before the next hard workout. Elite athletes rarely train over 75% VO2 Max and studies show that fat adapted athletes leave much of their glycogen levels intact after exercise. <BR/><BR/>I don't know about cyclists, but we runners tend to think that if we train harder and harder, it will automatically result in greater performance and this isn't always the case. As Gordon Pirie writes in his book, "more and more intervals with less recovery time will turn a champ into a chump."<BR/><BR/>Again, I'm not disagreeing with Mr. Colpo, but I've also experienced overtraining and the symptoms are awefully similar. I've also found that I can reproduce and even increase my running performance as long as I give myself adequate recovery time.<BR/><BR/>Regards,<BR/><BR/>CharlesUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11679266571603526922noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12333976.post-79439215958649037822007-08-10T12:25:00.000-04:002007-08-10T12:25:00.000-04:00I have been on a low carb diet for four years and ...I have been on a low carb diet for four years and spinning 4 to 5 times a week where my heart rate is between 75% to 85% and light weight lifting. I have been tired but I thought it was just because of how much I have been doing. I probably am around 75 to 100 carbs a day. Does this give me enough to not feel this muscle fatigue? If I take the carb/protein drink that Anthony talks about will I find a significant increase in my muscle building? Maybe I need to buy his book. Thanks.<BR/><BR/>Joyceejjoycenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04822850587162475042noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12333976.post-48743697621302475792007-08-10T12:03:00.000-04:002007-08-10T12:03:00.000-04:00Jimmy, CJane, thanks.FWIW: today, post lifting, I ...Jimmy, CJane, thanks.<BR/><BR/>FWIW: today, post lifting, I had a couple of eggs, some cottage cheese, a SF energy drink and sport beans. If I recall correctly, jelly beans have very fast absorption of the sugar (I think in the atkins book I have it was like 91 compared with table sugar being 100). It's not the 80+g that Colpo is talking about, but I figure we can work up to that and monitor. Nothing to report yet, but I dunno that I but Kamran's sentiment. Since recommiting to Atkins level carbs and rekicking my ketosis, I seem to have lost a few pounds, but kicked up my LBM. If it's catabolic, it's catabolic in the right places.Pot Kettle Blackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01991982631209306178noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12333976.post-49957771789903794662007-08-10T10:37:00.000-04:002007-08-10T10:37:00.000-04:00the thing is, except for competitive athletes and ...the thing is, except for competitive athletes and lunatics, nobody needs to be doing any activity that drains you to the point that you need to "carb cycle." Do some strength training, lifting heavy weights slowly to failure, low reps, 1 set only, cut the carbs and don't overeat. You'll get where you want to be-slim, fit, and strong, just as fast, without all the damage done by all that high volume lifting/excesive cardio.<BR/><BR/>mrfritznyc, aka "the pig headed mrfreddy"Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15606061098538457496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12333976.post-76158678663650405772007-08-10T09:15:00.000-04:002007-08-10T09:15:00.000-04:00Awesome, thanks for this post Jimmy! I've been lo...Awesome, thanks for this post Jimmy! I've been low carbing for about 3 weeks now, and started Thai boxing at the same time. My body was really, really craving some carbs after a crazy workout last weekend that left me exhausted, so I had a non-low carb protein shake with some berries and honey...this let me know that I was actually doing something right! I am definitely going to get his book!katherinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13280530716145413305noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12333976.post-41076629869003853702007-08-10T08:47:00.000-04:002007-08-10T08:47:00.000-04:00More pearls of wisdom. As always Colpo provides a ...More pearls of wisdom. As always Colpo provides a wealth of quality information. This is indeed good advice for those that participate in high-intensity training. Speaking for myself: I don't need these post-workout carb-cycling techniques, as I hardly ever experience severe muscle fatigue - probably because I'm the laziest guy on this forum - although I do consider backpacking 30-50 kilos of cameras, lenses and assorted gear on wildlife photography treks a reasonable workout :)Science4u1959https://www.blogger.com/profile/14032931049767819624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12333976.post-31499892974738226682007-08-10T08:38:00.000-04:002007-08-10T08:38:00.000-04:00I've actually been thinking about emailing you a s...I've actually been thinking about emailing you a similar question. Loved Colpo's cholesterol book so much, I have both the physical and ebook for quick searches. Will definitely buy the new one.<BR/><BR/>I've lost 70 pounds doing lc (100 long term) and road cycling (used to do spin). I've never had the fatigue (or at least willed through it). Last saturday I rode 30 miles in Florida heat after breakfast with no problems. My problem is that for the last 6 months I've been on a plateau. I bought the Tanita Ironman Scale to measure everything. It shows that the weight I lose is muscle and then I gain it back. It just seems to be a fluctuation of muscle, fat much less so.<BR/><BR/>I have been trying to figure out the cause. Do I need more protein, more sleep, less calories (haven't changed diet) or less pseudo stuff (CarbSmart ice cream, splenda, Chocoperfection, my daily Jack Daniels) even though none of this has changed. I ride about 100 miles a week. I don't really need to gain muscle just want to keep losing fat (currently between 23-24%, 6'4", 250lbs).<BR/><BR/>Any help would be appreciated, if not maybe I will find it in the book.<BR/><BR/>Thanks, JoeUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04502510901192427725noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12333976.post-10321901834327105482007-08-10T08:11:00.000-04:002007-08-10T08:11:00.000-04:00Kamran sent the following comment:To the comment a...Kamran sent the following comment:<BR/><BR/><I>To the comment above, ketosis is a very catabolic state, and Anthony Colpo, being one of the biggest advocates of low-carbing, says that.<BR/><BR/>KETOSIS IS WAY OVERRATED. Reducing carbohydrates to a level where one is still above ketotic levels, is the most optimal way to lose fat and preserve muscle.</I>Jimmy Moorehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08590225257991702645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12333976.post-81649093839912779822007-08-09T21:08:00.000-04:002007-08-09T21:08:00.000-04:00Fabulous information, and with what I am familiar ...Fabulous information, and with what I am familiar with regarding human physiology and cellular respiration it all makes perfect sense.<BR/><BR/><B>pot kettle black</B>, I'd think with the muscles using the glycogen quickly after an intense workout that it probably <I>wouldn't</I> kick one out of ketosis, but that's just my guess...let's see what Anthony has to say.CJaneWinnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13709426756140781447noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12333976.post-69723456696505937262007-08-09T20:30:00.000-04:002007-08-09T20:30:00.000-04:00Anthony does address that in his new book, but I'l...Anthony does address that in his new book, but I'll see if he will answer it. THANKS PKB!Jimmy Moorehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08590225257991702645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12333976.post-75577949532228639812007-08-09T20:11:00.000-04:002007-08-09T20:11:00.000-04:00That's good stuff.Now, question: If I'm losing wit...That's good stuff.<BR/><BR/>Now, question: If I'm losing with a ketogenic diet, will this infusion of carbs kick me from ketosis? That seems like it would be sub-optimal. Would like some further insight. Perhaps the Fat Loss Bible. <BR/><BR/>Ultimately, I suppose it talks to specific goals as specific times. If it's burn fat, maybe muscle fatigue is part of the trade off. If it's build muscle, then I don't see an alternative. <BR/><BR/>Thanks Jimmy and Anthony.Pot Kettle Blackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01991982631209306178noreply@blogger.com