Dana Carpender Has A Message For The Kimkins Opposition: 'Just. Calm. Down.'
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Labels: controversy, criticism, Dana Carpender, diet, fat, health, Kimkins, Kimmer, low-carb, nutritionism, weight loss
posted by Jimmy Moore at
7/15/2007 08:51:00 PM
13 Comments:
I agree with you and Dana, to a point. However, there's no getting around the fact that Kimmer may very well be a fraud - she could disprove this at anytime if she wanted to-and that she advises extemely low calorie diets and extended fasting. A lot of people have very good reasons to be alarmed by these things.
Being a Kimkins member for almost a year and having lost close to 80 lbs (Thank you Kimmer!) after floundering on Atkins--I could CARE LESS who Kimmer really is. She could be a pimply faced teenage boy for all I care--this WOE works and has for countless others. I have NEVER seen her recommended extended fasting or extreme low calorie to anyone and is always VERY responsible about suggesting that members discuss options with their own physicians. She may practic these things (her business)but is always responsible about her advice. I personally, just like Jimmy, have never counted my calories. So don't say that she "advises" these things when the truth is, no she doesn't. Great job Jimmy--Onderland is around the corner!
Oh and if you are alarmed by it--DON'T DO IT. Didn't you say that already, Jimmy?
Mr. Fritz, how could Kimmer be a fraud? What is she promoting that is fraudulent? Her programs *work* for many people. What is fraudulent about that?
I have over 45 years experience with weight loss and control. What Kimmer has done is not revolutionary - simply put, she's invented ways to provide people with structured choices and a way to give them motivation and •results•. What is wrong with that?!
p.s. To all the critics... "Live and let live."
If you don't like the Kimkins plans or any others, then don't use them. It's that simple. You are entitled to your free speech and you may argue against the plans, but your obsession and hatred have no place in the debate.
gary j
Fraud 1)
She claims she lost 200 pounds in 11 months on her diet (or something like that.). She is selling her plan based on that claim. Hell, I even joined her site based on that claim. I had no reason to doubt her, as I am sure that Atkins needed to be tweaked to consider calories in a stronger way.
But she has offered no proof that there is any reality to her claim. There is a grand total of 3 or 4 after pics of her, none of which really look like her, or even like the other pictures.
Assuming those pictures are not of her, and that is what I am assuming unless she proves different, then there is a simple word for this, it's called "lying."
Fraud 2)
Many of her success story pics are clearly not the same persons in the after pics. One was even found to be a former model, others are from stock pictures. There's a simple word for this, it's called "lying."
And since she is selling her plan, site, and service using these lies, I call that fraud.
Mr. Fritz, if you can prove your assertions, if you have been harmed, then take the lady to court. Otherwise we don't know that *you're* the fraud.
I am very surprised that Dana Carpender would allow herself to become involved with this starvation scam. I thought she had more credibility than this. Or was that supposed to be a private email?
One thing I always liked about the low carb community is that there was little, if any criticism about one's choice of low carb plans. It's sad to see all this mess over Kimkins. Even some Livin' La Vida Low Carb posts that have nothing to do with Kimkins see Kimkins creep into the comments.
I don't think Kimkins is right for me, but I'm not going to bash someone else's choice. There is a place for debate about the issues, but it is getting out of hand and far too personal. Maybe some people have entirely too much time on their hands and resort to creating anti Kimkins & anti Jimmy Moore sites.
It will be interesting to listent to Thursday's podcast.
Dana gave me permission to print that e-mail, David. She couldn't get her password to work when she tried to leave a comment. Ask her for yourself.
So we know that restricting carbs only improves our health. This is true. From this standpoint, all low-carb diets are better than other diets to some extent.
From what I know, Kimkins only allows incidental fat in the diet. Jimmy, as long as you're getting your body fat tested (and in your case, since you've lost so much weight, I recommend more advanced body fat level testing like the "bod pod", you'll be good. Skin calipers won't do for you. The biggest problem that you could be facing with a high-protein, MODERATE fat, low-carb diet is muscle loss. When fat is high, nearly all lean muscle is retained. So as long as you're not losing muscle, ALL the power to you. IF you are losing muscle, and you can tell this when your skin becomes more looser and when you start looking like a fat twig, you need to stop Kimkins. Immediately.
But, if you feel better (losing muscle makes you feel horrible), and you're losing the weight at a steady pace after that 180 pounds of weight loss, then like I said, ALL the power to you!
Dana Carpender:
"And for the record, I have not studied the Kimkins plan.
I haven't done more than glance at the Kimkins plan."
Sad and strange that she'd defend a starvation diet plan that she knows little or nothing about.
I have looked at all the Kimkins "after" pictures, and I dont' see any of them that look like "someone else", including her own. You people just don't know what really losing weight looks like. It is dramatic and radical. You do look like "someone else", naturally so. Also, many of these women have gotten "makeovers" after they lose the weight, because their physical image is entirely transformed.
Yes, you can look 20-40 years younger. Yes, you can look far more sexy than you used to. Yes, you can wear clothes and hair that you could never get away with on a larger body. That's the natural effect of losing weight. So, this argument falls flat, and is based on exaggerated rumor and hearsay.
Also, have you ever seen a real celebrity in person? They never look like they do on TV, they always look "fake" or like someone else. It is a trick of the camera and the eye.
It is true that Kimmer may have to provide some support for her existence, but there is no hard evidence whatsoever yet that she is not who she claims to be. As a single, grassroots person working through a website in a distant country, she has no control over the veracity of who writes to her or what pictures they send her, so without setting up an international tribunal, how can she verify the veracity of her customers? She may have a responsibility to not misrepresent her program, but she has very limited power to hold all her customers accountable. She is a lone individual with a bold idea who deeply believes in something that she is giving away to the world for almost nothing. God love her.
I hold her innocent until proven guilty. Many regular people are horrified when they become celebrities, especially the heartfelt and honest ones, horrified at the intense, relentless exposure which fame and notoriety (and accountability) brings. Kimkins is now facing this terrible double-edged sword of success, and it is bitter. But being someone of enormous heart, I hope she will find the power to step up to the plate. I suspect she will.
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