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Saturday, March 01, 2008

'Livin' La Vida Low-Carb Show' Episode 115 & 116: Dean Ornish, Jimmy Moore Debate 'The Spectrum'


Dr. Dean Ornish talks with me about his new book The Spectrum

Before I left for vacation last weekend, I teased you when I revealed there would be a special 4-part interview with someone in the realm of diet, health and nutrition beginning this past week and continuing into next week. Now that I'm back, I guess you've discovered who it was already--low-fat diet advocate Dr. Dean Ornish. He contacted me about a month ago and asked if I would like to interview him again about his new book entitled The Spectrum: A Scientifically Proven Program to Feel Better, Live Longer, Lose Weight, and Gain Health. As my regular readers will recall, that previous 4-part interview in October 2006 was pretty much an open invitation for Dr. Ornish to share what he believes without any challenge whatsoever. Listen to Part 1 and Part 2 of that interview to hear what he had to say.

But in Episode 115 and Episode 116 of "The Livin' La Vida Low-Carb Show with Jimmy Moore", you'll notice a decidedly different tone this time around by design. Even Dr. Ornish requested me to feel free to challenge and question him on areas where we disagreed. And boy did I ever! Although Dr. Ornish continually tried to say we agreed with each other about various concepts, it was very evident that we clearly DO NOT agree as much as he thinks. You'll hear the frustration in my voice when he claims "we all agree" on this and that when we obviously don't. The back and forth exchange was fiery at times, but that sure makes for an entertaining podcast interview to listen to, though! :D

Click on the "LISTEN NOW" link below or download Part 1 to your iPod to hear Episode 115:

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Click on the "LISTEN NOW" link below or download Part 2 to your iPod to hear Episode 116:

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Dr. Dean Ornish is very polished in his presentation of what he believes about a healthy diet. The only problem is he is so deep into his own philosophical views and talking points that he forgets to answer the questions that are presented to him in black and white. Several times I asked him questions that merited a direct answer and he breezed right over them with something tee-totally different. Why is that? Is it so difficult to give a direct answer to a direct question, Dr. Ornish?

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We've got two more segments of my 100-minute interview with Dr. Dean Ornish, but tell us what you think about what you've heard so far. Leave your comments in the show notes section of Part 1 in Episode 115 as well as Part 2 in Episode 116 to share your thoughts about what you have heard from Dr. Ornish and his new book The Spectrum.

Incidentally, here is the breakdown of the five groups in The Spectrum from "most healthy" to "least healthy" according to Dr. Ornish (I OBVIOUSLY disagree with his definition of "healthy" and categorization of what that constitutes):

Group 1
These are the most healthful foods, predominantly fruits, vegetables, whole grains, legumes, soy products, nonfat dairy, and egg whites in their natural forms, as well as some good fats that contain omega‑3 fatty acids.

Group 2
These are also predominantly plant-based but somewhat higher in fat (predominantly monounsaturated fat and polyunsaturated fat) such as avocados, seeds, nuts. Oils are included but in small amounts, since they are so dense in calories. Group 2 also includes foods canned in water (rather than sugary syrup or oil), canned vegetables (if sodium is not too high), low-fat dairy products (1%), decaffeinated beverages, low-sodium soy sauce, and so on.

Group 3
These foods include some seafood, some refined carbohydrates (Dr. Ornish has an interesting explanation in Part 2 of my interview about why these were not listed in Group 5) and concentrated sweeteners (in moderation), some oils that are higher in saturated fat, some reduced fat (2%) dairy products, margarines free of trans fatty acids, sweeteners containing high fructose corn syrup, and higher sodium.

Group 4
In this group foods contain additional fat, higher animal protein and fewer protective nutrients. These include poultry, fish that are higher in mercury, whole milk/dairy products, margarine, mayonnaise, pastries, cakes, cookies, and pies.

Group 5
In general, these foods are considered the least healthful. They are the lowest in protective substances and are highest in “bad fats.” Some food included in this group are red meat, egg yolks, fried poultry, fried fish, hot dogs, organ meats, butter, cream, and tropical oils like coconut oil.

UGH! As you can see, he's just about got the Groups backwards! When you see that refined carbohydrates are middle of the road "healthy" and egg yolks, butter and coconut oil are considered "least healthy," then you know we have a very clear difference of opinion regarding what is healthy and what is not. Keep listening to the rest of the interview to hear more about why Dr. Ornish thinks The Spectrum is far superior to anything he has ever written about nutrition before and why I think it is nothing more than the same old, same old we've always heard from him. I'll let YOU decide who to believe after listening to the final two segments of the interview on "The Livin' La Vida Low-Carb Show with Jimmy Moore."

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3 Comments:

Blogger Tom Bunnell (TB)--TB said...

'Corporate America' as well as 'Insurance America' and 'Banking America'(and Europe,Europe,Europe) of same -- as well as "Walstreet" in general, have been bankrolling and financing, students and doctors and politicians and communications industries and attorneys and lawyers, for as many decades as you can count and now going into centuries. This, to counterbalance any negative public relations that might prove to be counterproductive to there bottom lines. -- Some hundreds of millions of dollars spent here, saves billions and billions of dollars there! -- "Buy as cheap as you can and sell for as much as you can". ie = profit-capitalism-democracy. -- say anything and you are unamerican and 'ungodly'. -- This is big business in all it's glory!(this includes farms and food processing and all of there related industries), as well as most all of the medical community and science in general.

Churches have recently in this last decade been added to this community.(handouts for community health projects).

Dr Dean Ornish is clearly in the pocket of these 'insurance' and banking and food processing giants and of course doesn't have a clue as to such!

It's simply human nature that these 'puppeteers' rely on. -- Hand out lots and lots of money(in a favorable manor of course), so that it doesn't appear to be bribes, and the recipients will favor there interests and fight for them -- rather than 'bite the hand that feeds them!

Human nature!

3/02/2008 9:23 AM  
Blogger Tara said...

Honestly, Dr. Ornish does not look very healthy. I'm surprised that people still follow his dietary suggestions considering that he has not aged very well.
Conversly, Dr. Atkins still looked really good in his 70's! Personally, I would be wary of taking advice from any health professional who does not even seem healthy themselves.

3/02/2008 10:08 AM  
Blogger lowcarbarama said...

(Sorry for all the all caps -- I copied and pasted from the Kraft web site.)

Here are some sample foods and where they fall along Dr. Ornish's Spectrum. Wow! Isn't it just amazing how much smarter he is than Mother Nature?

Group 1, most healthful:
BREAKSTONE'S - SOUR CREAM - FREE FAT FREE
Ingredients: CULTURED PASTEURIZED GRADE A NONFAT MILK, DRIED CORN SYRUP, FOOD STARCH-MODIFIED, CREAM, CONTAINS LESS THAN 2% OF MALTODEXTRIN, ARTIFICIAL COLOR, XANTHAN GUM, NATURAL FLAVOR, VITAMIN A PALMITATE.

Group 2 or 3, less healthful:
BREAKSTONE'S - SOUR CREAM - REDUCED FAT
Ingredients: CULTURED PASTEURIZED GRADE A MILK AND CREAM, CONTAINS LESS THAN 1% OF AGAR, VITAMIN A PALMITATE, ENZYMES.

Group 4, almost as bad as you can get:
BREAKSTONE'S - SOUR CREAM - ALL NATURAL
Ingredients: CULTURED PASTEURIZED GRADE A MILK AND CREAM, ENZYMES.

3/02/2008 10:13 AM  

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